Determinism and Free Will

Thursday, October 13, 2005

Often in the course of the philosophy of religion, the question of free will vs. determinism is brought up. Typically, the non-religious side claims that every human has complete autonomy and control over him or herself, doing whatever is willed and having unbounded freedom. The religious side usually asserts that there is some omnipotent, omniscient, omni-benevolent deity that has predetermined the path for each and every being in the world, including every human. In other words, each of our lives is fully predetermined and we have no significant control over the path our lives take.

I think that both of these views are too simplistic and too extreme to accurately explain the unique path — and thus the time, space, bodies, and the interactions and relationships between them — that each and every one of the more than six billion people on this planet has. Instead, I’d like to approach this question in a more systematic and mathematical way, keeping in mind that I am talking about an unbelievably complex and intricate system.

It’s a difficult task to convey the sheer size of this system, but a few examples may help. The Matrix put forth the idea of an enormous computer system that controlled human minds and constructed an artificial reality which was supposed to mimic our accepted reality. This is a good example because it is an attempt at describing a system that does indeed encapsulate the entirety of reality, but I think its effect probably falls short for many people that don’t understand the complexity of a contemporary personal computer.

Perhaps, then, a more convincing argument for the lay man will be one that involves direct perceptive experience and incremental construction of the system. Think about the last time you were at an outdoor gathering with masses of people around you. This could be a fair, an airshow, a carnival or theme park, a crowded beach, a convention, or some other mass gathering of people where shoulders are bumped and one has no choice but to move slowly through the crowd, maneuvering around each clump of people. At events like this the number of people ranges from the hundreds to the tens of thousands. Consider then that every single person in that crowd has an individual life, thought process, and unique path that he or she has followed up to the very moment that you meet in that crowd. This is the first layer of the system: a sample of complexity through sheer number of people in a relatively small example.

Just this simple foundation opens up many opportunities for exploration including thought processes, wills, individual actions, physical attributes, etc.; but because we’re talking about determinism (or the lack thereof), we’ll focus exclusively on each person’s life path — the series of actions, decisions, and thoughts that has specifically led each person to the crowd. I don’t think it should take any convincing to argue that every path is unique, but it should be at least mentioned. Now, we will consider a few of these several hundred or thousand paths and how they relate to each other.

Given any single one of these paths alone, we can safely say that it is complex, containing many turns (turning points) and forks (decisions), all leading to the end point in the crowd. Given a second path (also complex by nature), it is apparent to see that both paths meet at least once — at the end point. But there is a probability that these paths have crossed before at some point, say when both people were shopping at the mall and walked by one another. Each of these crossings forms a relationship. Relationships can be as simple as walking by someone to something as intimate as a marriage. Now consider three paths, then four, then five, then ten thousand.

We already observed that each path was necessarily complex on its own, but when combined with thousands of other paths, the resulting system is astronomical in its size and complexity. The pure number of relationships is staggering, nevermind the actions of each individual person and how those actions affected other relationships and directions of other paths. Then realize that this incredible system is not even a significant fraction of the system that emcompasses the social interactions on this planet. Multiply the number of paths by six hundred thousand and envision the number of relationships increasing at a near-exponential rate. Only at this point do we have a mediocre conception of what most of the socio-system of the world looks like.

Now, take this system that is so unbelievably complex that adjectives do not do it justice and call it “S”. From the beginning of our examination we were considering two explanations for the paths that humans lead (or follow): free will and determinism. The inconsistency I see arises when one tries to reconcile either of these notions with S. To explain, I’ll investigate them one at a time.

Free will as I defined it is each individual human’s ability to freely lead his or her own path as he or she wills it. The main problem with this conception is its lack of provision for things in the world that affect the path of the person being considered. In other words, even though a person has free will, his or her path will be largely decided based on factors external to him or herself, telling us precisely that the path of the person is not wholly determined by the person’s own will. Although a person has an ability to change his or her path at many points, the overall shape of the path is not a result of the person’s choices but of the forces around the person exerting their collective “will”. Even if a person drastically changes his or her actions (e.g. moving to Africa in one day on a whim), his or her path will still be shaped by the forces that already exist in the new direction which the person has chosen. This way, no person is ever completely free, but rather has certain points at which free decisions can change his or her position in the system. No decision short of ending one’s path (death) will ever free one from the constraints imposed by the system S, thus demanding a more comprehensive and complex explanation interfacing specifically with S.

Determinism, on the other hand, holds that there is some divine architect of the system and moreover that the same being has predetermined each path like a series of winding, twisting, and intersecting chutes down which marbles will roll. The problems with this conception, in my opinion, are the complexity of S and the apparent free will. We’ve already made an honest attempt at understanding the complexity of S, so we can see that architecting every single path that not only exists, but ever has existed and ever will exist prompts the question: “Why?” The common inclination here would be to claim that S is too complex to have been architected, but a simple move on the determinist’s part to claiming the deity’s infinite nature makes this a moot point. Instead, I ask the more perplexing and interesting question of why S was constructed this way or constructed at all. I see S as too intricate to have any specific purposes and thus move to dismiss determinism as highly improbable due to simple lack of necessity. Nothing is worth the complexity of S, so S must be self-regulating and self-fulfilling.

One could obviously take the discussion from here in many different directions including toward proofs for or against the existence of the Christian God, or the nature of the universe, but I only wanted to illuminate the debate between free will and determinism, explaining why I think neither fits with our beloved system S.

written by Brad Fults

Archived at: http://h3h.net/2005/10/determinism-and-free-will/

11 responses

  1. David Nollmeyer

    Nice work. One consideration outside of human perspectivism, which is faulty, is that how rigid are the laws that operate on us?

    Hobbes has stated homini homo lupus… Man is a wolf to man.

    I believe in Krishna and our autonomy is minute: we are bound by karma or the law of nature. The mechanism of Hobbes seems to cast the negative but such believes we are totally determined and he is an atheist.

    Peace

    David

  2. jibegod

    What you’ve described as system ‘S’ can easily fit into the definition of determinism put forth by modern physics. The proposition is generally defined as a system which is “causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences.” Whether you accept a strictly naturalistic (scientific) explanation, or choose to appoint a divine figure as the Domino-pusher of this mechanistic system, is irrelevant.

    Why do you state that free-will is apparent? There are plenty of scientists in the academic community who would claim that the inescapable deterministic nature of the universe is blindingly obvious, and would proceed to shrug off free-will as the product of a mind that hasn’t successfully conceptualized the implications of determinism (your infinitely complex ‘S’).

    Frankly, your entire post is riddled with horrible reasoning and is of vacuous intellectual merit.

  3. Brad

    A deterministic theory from modern physics may very well describe this system — I left that completely open. The only point I was contesting is the traditional creator view of determinism. I don’t think the creator view fits in with the system that is “causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences” simply because the chain would then not be unbroken. I don’t see this point to be irrelevent at all, but then I am specifically interested in the presense or lack of an initial event and modern physicists (and/or you) may not be.

    I see free will to be apparent insofar as we can stand up in the middle of a crowded restaurant and yell something in Swahili whenever we want. We can do things without any real purpose at many times in our lives, suggesting to me that we have a will that can actualize events and changes separate from anything that makes sense deterministically. Now of course you could just say that we are destined to interject seemingly randomly and change our paths radically, but then I feel the burden of explanation falls on you. How does it make sense that our paths are both deterministic and extremely complex? I will never say it’s not a possibility, because it obviously is, but in my view it is a far less likely stance and one that needs some explanatory support before I can commit to it.

    Frankly, your responses are terse and disrespectful, reeking of haughty elitism and making no real advance in any direction. It would be much appreciated if you would check your ego and attitude at the door and respond only to the points.

  4. Bethany

    Dammit, Jibe. Go away, little twerp. Nobody likes you and your “contributions” to this website are idle prattle from a pretentious schoolboy who just found the “big words” section of his philosophy books. >:|

    I’m surprised Brad has been as patient with you as he has been. Not so much surprised as in utter disbelief. People who have nothing better to do all day than think up ways to insult and offend people by trying to sound intimidatingly better educated than everybody else accomplish absolutely nothing more than making themselves look like foolish, immature and insecure peacocks.

    Not only that, but you stand in the way of real progress because you demand to be recognized for achievements that are not yours to begin with. You refuse to treat others with the respect they deserve — nobody here has ever targeted you, but yet you insist on trying to make yourself look better by loudly voicing your opinion that everything Brad posts is crap. You belittle yourself by belittling people who actually have something to say.

    You might find your responses much better received if you cut the condescending attitude. You have nothing to prove to anyone here, and if you spent any time getting to know Brad, you’d realize that he’s not closed-minded, not offensive, not prideful or wrathful — everything you seem to think you have to attack him on is an imagined property projected onto him from your own ego. So back off.

  5. jibegod

    u china?

  6. Yze

    ::pulls out dictionary::

    I concur.

  7. Ashley

    But Brad, your knowledge of Swahili (and any other language) enters via the senses as antecedent conditions – the antecedent conditions of determinism.
    Your knowledge of what is involved in shouting and your knowledge of where you are (i.e. a restaurant) likewise enters via the senses as antecedent conditions.
    A stillborn baby suffering from anencephaly (sensory disconnection) can, however, do nothing, yet it presumably still has free will.

  8. h3h.net » Blog Archive » Physicalist Determinism

    [...] If one takes the physicalist perspective — everything that exists is ultimately physical — then determinism seems a lot more plausible. Previously in Determinism and Free Will, I was dealing with the classic definitions of free will and determinism. These conceptions assume a distinction between the two, placing them in opposition to one another. The plausibility of determinism increases significantly from the viewpoint of the physicalist because free will can exist inside determinism (and thus is not opposed to it) — a compatibilist theory. [...]

  9. G

    I’m just scratching the surface on this subject, so allow me to be a bit simplistic for a moment. I’m having a hard time trying to figure out how much free will we really have. I look at the past events in my life and resulting path, and it seems like I was just responding to some external stimulus. I think I can make an argument that almost every “free will” decision that I’ve made is a result of upbringing, belief in God, random events, survival, etc. The big question that I have, as it relates to the belief in God in particular, is why did I have the ability or grace to believe in God in the first place? It was really not my own doing. The motivation was always there, waiting to be released by certain events. It seems that I made the choice because I was predermined to do so. Help on this one.

  10. Ben

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism#Arguments_against_determinism

  11. Daniel

    Didn’t God give us free will? That’s the Christian explanation for the problem of evil.

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